日本海と東海

ニコニコ動画のコメントを見てたら思ったのですが、
韓国では昔からそのへんの海を東海と呼んでるけど、
日本もまた昔から、日本海と呼んでいるってことでしょう?

そのへんの地図表記などを東海にするか、日本海にするかってことは
うちらが議論してもしょうがないし、偉い人が勝手にやると思うんですよ。

うちらが身を乗り出して議論したり考えを述べたりするのも大事でしょうけど、
たとえば韓国人が日本海を「東海」だという。これは別に日本人に対して
「あそこを日本海だというな」「東海と言え」と言ってるわけではないと考えます。

韓国では昔から東海なので「日本海」と聞かれても「へ?どこ?」って事もありうる。
(ここ最近イシュー化したから、「東海は日本では日本海」って皆が知ってますけど、
でも東海のほうが馴染みがある)日本でもまさに「東海ってどこ?」なのだと思います。









昔からの呼び名なだけなのに、「東海というな」という日本人がネットにはたまにいます。

また逆に、「日本海」だと言われると、侵略された気持ち(?)になる韓国人がいます。

それは互いに「馴染みのない呼び名」だからなのだと思います。でも違う国の人だから

呼び名が違うこともありうることだし、地図の表記の問題が起きる前までは、実際に

問題にはならなかったと思います。そのままでいいんだと思うんですよ。




つまりただ「韓国人が東海と呼んだり」「日本人が日本海と呼んだり」するのは

実に普通のことで、互いの呼び名で呼ぶ権利を侵害しているわけでは決してないってこと。

世界の地図でどう表記するか。というのはぜんぜん別の問題だと思うのです。




某所で韓国の国歌が「東海」という歌詞で始まることを指摘する方がいましたので、

ちょっと思ったことを書いてみました。呼ぶのは自由。呼んだところで問題はない。





まあ、わざわざ書くまでもないことかも知れないけど思いついたから書いてみた。

久々に実にまともな書き込み。このブログの初期の書き込みみたいだな…イェイー



韓国のネットの掲示板で「日本海表記は阻止しなきゃならない」との主張の理由に

よくあがるのが「日本海に漂う島を誰が韓国のだと思うだろうか。東海を守ることが

ドクト(独島。日本でいう竹島)を守ることにも繋がる」というのがあって、これが

結構妙な説得力(?)を持つらしくかなり同意されることを見かけますが、果たして

それが繋がるのか繋がらないかは微妙ですけどね。これもまた別問題だし、ドクトは

そのままにしとくだけだと思うので日本海の島か東海の島かは関係ないと思うけど…

でも逆に日本からだと東海になっても例えば対馬を韓国に取られるとかはありえない

(そもそも韓国はそんなことは思わないので。ドクトさえあれば和気藹々みたいな?)

から…って俺は最近「両国の偉い人が永久の紛争地域に残しといた」という陰謀論に

なんか説得力を感じてるので(いやだって踊らされる人がめっちゃくちゃ多いもの…)

こういう領土の問題はあまり考えないようにしておきたい。話が脱線してるし。




つまり何が言いたいかって、おれ個人の立場を言いますと、

日本海を韓国語に訳すことがあれば俺は東海に訳す。(わかりやすいから)

東海を日本語に訳すことがあれば俺は日本海に訳す。(上同

(そのままにするべき場合は別にそのまま訳してもかまわない)

両国の人に見せるなら「日本海(東海)」や「東海(日本海)」に訳す。


って意味不明だな。まあ、あれだ。


つまりどうでもいいってことだー!!~



そう、すべてがどうでもいい・・・


それが俺クオリティ(´・ω・)いぇいー(やっぱり壊れた終わり方を迎えた)



つうかこういうの前にも書いたことなかったっけ?(過去ログ確認してみよう…)


ps) 検索してみたらなかったようだーブログ解説して早々書きそうなネタなのにな…
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by no_tenki | 2007-07-29 07:35 | Comments(944)
Commented by ポンチョ at 2007-07-29 08:07 x
 ポイントがずれていると思いますよ。日本人は昔から韓国人が韓国語で「東海」と呼ぶことに何ら文句は言っていません。日本には東海という別の地名があるので、日本語では使用するべきではないでしょう。問題は韓国人が国際的呼称であるSea of Japanを変えようとしていることです。
 ただ現実問題としてそのような日本人の反応に納得は出来ます。日本海呼称問題は外交問題になっていて、韓国人の「東海」という発言は、政治議論を挑んでいると見なされても仕方がないのでは?

 私は逆に韓国人の主張に国歌に「東海」とあるのに、日本海(Sea of Japan)はけしからんという主張を見たことがあります。また、no_tenkiさんが仰るように、竹島問題の解決と日本海の呼称は一切関係がありません。しかしながら、こうした不合理な主張も韓国人の日本海呼称問題の動機の一つになっています。これらが根拠なら、韓国人が日本海を「東海」と呼ぶことに、民族主義的な行動を警戒し、日本人が韓国人に「東海」と呼ぶことを止めるように呼びかけるのは道理的だと思いますが。
Commented by notki at 2007-07-29 09:36
> これらが根拠なら、韓国人が日本海を「東海」と呼ぶことに、民族主義的な行動を警戒し、日本人が韓国人に「東海」と呼ぶことを止めるように呼びかけるのは道理的だと思いますが。

ちょっとお待ちw普通に呼んでるだけの人はどうなっちゃうんですか…
まったく同じことを日本人もしてるから(まあ、ネットで見ただけですが)
別にポイントがずれてるわけでもないのでは。という気も。

別に問題視したいとは思いませんが、韓国の国歌が「東海」で始まることを
不機嫌に思ってる方を見かけて、それに対して書いてみただけなんで。
政治問題と、ただ呼んでるだけなのをごっちゃにしないようにしよう~
でもどっちのネットにも、ごっちゃにしてる人が多い。そういう話です。
Commented by notki at 2007-07-29 09:37
ナショナリズムを警戒して「東海と呼ぶことを止めろ」と主張するのも
あり得ると仰いますが、まったく同意できませんし、少し飛躍があるのでは…
と感じます。政治問題のせいで、「東海やめろ」と言いたくなっただけでは?

「仕方ない」「道理だ」と仰いますが、さっぱりわからないのです…
呼ぶのは自由。それはそれ、これはこれ。そういう話ですので。
不合理な主張なんて、どちらのネットにも転がっていますよん。

ちなみに世界の地図表記は日本海でも別に構わない派。あ、
東海も同時に書いてあると嬉しいな。完全に東海にしたい人は、
まあ、頑張れ。みたいな。それを防ぎたい日本の人も勿論頑張れ。
俺はバイトと遊ぶことを頑張ろう。皆それなりに頑張りましょう。お~
Commented by 国際法を勉強せよ at 2007-07-29 09:55 x
>「あそこを日本海だというな」「東海と言え」と言ってるわけではないと考えます。
韓国人は「あそこを日本海だというな、東海と言え」と言っていると考えられます。
http://www.chosunonline.com/article/20070501000009
韓国政府「日本海単独表記は絶対容認できない」
と書いてあります。
http://www.excite.co.jp/world/korean/web/?wb_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbs.co.kr%2Fnocut%2Fshow.asp%3Fidx%3D336416&wb_lp=KOJA&wb_dis=2
こういう記事もあるし。
韓国では昔から東海と勝手に呼んでいるだけで、これは国際的に考えておかしい。
世界地図の問題だから統一名称にするべきだな。
>また逆に、「日本海」だと言われると、侵略された気持ち(?)になる韓国人がいます。
こういう韓国人がいても不思議はないが、こういう気持ちになる韓国人が勘違いしているだけ。
海の名称だけで侵略か否かは問えない。
>そのままでいいんだと思うんですよ。
そのまま韓国だけは東海にするのでいいというなら、韓国は国際的に取り除かれる元になりますよ。
Commented by 国際法を勉強せよ at 2007-07-29 09:55 x
韓国人は「日本海というと日本は海の所有権を主張するのではないか?」という心配でもしてるのかな?
もっと国際法を勉強するべきだよ、勉強がたりないから海の名称で騒ぎ、竹島を占有するんだろ。
国際法を理解したら竹島を占有したことを恥ずかしいとしてすぐに日本へ返すとはずだが。
Commented by きゃべじん at 2007-07-29 12:21 x
まったくお説ごもっともと思います。
ただ敢えていうなら当事国以外の表記では圧倒的にJapaneseSeaが多いので、それをJapaneseSeaをEastSeaに変えろと言うから問題になるのですよね。せいぜいウチではEastSeaと呼んでいるのでそれも追記してください、と言えばいいのに。
Commented by 阿宝飯 at 2007-07-30 00:38 x
国際的名称と、それぞれの国ローカルで持つ名称を別に考えないと。
日本にとっては日本海だし、韓国にとっては東海。そこに何も問題はない。
ここでの問題は、主に民族的自尊心に因る理由から、韓国が国際的名称であるSea of JapanをEast Seaに変えろと主張している事。
それなら日本が同じく国際的名称であるKorean channelをTsushima channelに変えろという主張も成り立つわけだけど、
日本はしないだろう。
国際的名称は世界各国が共有するものであり、一国の論理を通す類のものではないからだ。
そういう意味で、この問題は韓国側が一方的に起こしている問題だと思うよ。
まあこの件に限らず、韓国のロビイングにかける努力は凄いと思うし、
日本も見習わねばならない部分があるよね。
Commented by sakuya at 2007-07-30 11:40 x
notki様

この問題に関する詳しい情報が以下にもあります。読むのはめんどいですが。ご存知かもしれませんがご紹介いたします。

日本海呼称問題(日本の外務省のサイト)
http://www.mofa.go.jp/mofaj/area/nihonkai_k/index.html

私はポイントは、韓国政府が

かつて「東海あるいは朝鮮/韓国海」と呼ばれていた海を、日本が(奪い)勝手に「日本海」という名称に変えた、よって本来の(正しい名称に)戻さねばならない(大意)

と主張している点にあると思いますよ。
うーん、日本海って呼び始めたのは西欧人だと思うのですが・・・日本の古地図には朝鮮海とあったりするし。朝鮮の方にある海だから。
Commented by sakuya at 2007-07-30 11:43 x
続きです ^^
(長文失礼いたします)

notki様の言われるように、お互いの国の人が、その国の呼び方で呼ぶのは何ら問題ないと思います。これは韓国人日本人の大多数が同意する考えだと思います。お互い、相手の国の一部の人が、感情的に勇み足した発言を、全体の意見であるかのように考えて反応しないほうがいいですよね。

ローカルな呼称は別として、海図上は国際的に日本海と現在呼ばれていますし、それを変える必要もないんじゃないですか?自分の国では好きなように呼べばいいんだし。ちなみに、日本で言う対馬海峡は、国際名称は韓国海峡ですが、それに文句を言う日本人はもしかしたらいるかもしれないけど、ごく少数でしょうね。私は全然気になりませんよ~
Commented by hamnidak at 2007-07-30 11:59
お久しぶりです。
東海と日本海の英語表記については、「世界中の英語表記のほとんどは"Sea of Japan"になってますけど、まぁ頑張ってください」としか言いようがないですね。少~しずつですが、"East Sea"も併記するのも増えているようですし。

大学院の授業で韓国人(ってか私以外はみんな韓国人でしたが)の学友が英語の文献を使って発表する際に、東アジアの地図が載っていて、開口一番「この地図に"Sea of Japan"となっているのはムカつきますが~」と言って、教室が爆笑に包まれたことがあります。個人的な経験では、この名称問題も「ネタを提供してくれてありがとう」と思います。

それではバイト頑張ってください(笑)。
Commented by holly at 2007-07-31 02:41 x
初めまして。更新したりしなかったりいつも気ままでいいですね。あ、これは褒めてますよ。ブログなんて所詮チラシの裏なんだから。

僕もあなたの意見に同意できます。東海と言う呼び名にむきになってる愛国韓国人の方も、それにつられて日本海と言う呼び名にむきになってる愛国日本人の方も、どちらの意見にも賛同できますが、激しくどうでもいいことだと思います。

竹島についても歴史的にみてどちらの領土であるかを検証することは、「領土」とは何を持って「領土」であるとみなすかという学問的な問いに突き当たるなら非常に意義のあるものだと思います。しかし、政治家が立ち上がってまで「どちらの領土であるか」を問うことにはあまり意味を感じません。
政治ってのは元々公共福祉のためにあるもので、決して領土を守るためだけにあるものではないと思います。まぁ、愛国戦士の方達からしたら、「盗られた物を取り返すことが公共の福祉に寄与しないはずがない!」とか「竹島を譲ったら次は北方領土、対馬、九州、尖閣諸島と次々と他国に盗られる」って言われるんでしょうけどね。
Commented by holly at 2007-07-31 02:44 x
続きです。

韓国の人にこんなこと言うのは失礼だと思いますが、僕は韓国政府ってマジで馬鹿だと思います。竹島なんつー岩礁に何十億と税金つぎ込むってアホでしょw
同じようにそうしようとしてる日本の政治家もねw
一体あのリアンクールロックスにどれだけの価値があるのかw
神でも宿ってるんかいなと言いたいです。

まぁ将来的に領土問題に関して、日本に有益な条約を結ぼうと考えて騒ぎたててるなら、日本の政治家さんはすごいやり手だなって思いますが。

話がそれてしまいましたが、日本海の名称だけじゃなくて、日本が誇るエロ産業も海外では別称で呼ばれてることについてはどうなんでしょうね?
BUKKAKEとかHENTAIとか、「日本人いい加減にしろよ」と思うと同時に、白人共の目の付け所に感服してしまうわけですが、この辺どうなんでしょうね?韓国の人達はちゃんと日本古来(?)の呼び方である「エロビデオ」や「18禁」って呼び方してます?まぁ、こんなもんに国際名称もクソもないんでどうでもいいですけど。
と、だいぶ長くなってすいません。それでは。
後このブログは好きなんでたまにでいいので更新してくだしあ。
Commented by せりゅ at 2007-07-31 10:08 x
>hollyさん
竹島なんつー岩礁に何十億と税金つぎ込むってアホでしょ とありますが、
あれは領土よりも排他的経済水域とかに関する問題のほうが大事なんだと思いますよ。
Commented by holly at 2007-07-31 11:53 x
>せりゅさん
僕はその経済水域に毎年何十億も投資する価値があるのか疑問なんですよ。まぁもちろん毎年何十億も投入してるのかどうかしっかり調べたわけではなくて、自己の判断でそう言ったのであり、本当のところはわかりません。ただ、排他的経済水域を確保し、漁獲量を増やすことは重要なことだと思いますが、そのために税金を使うことと、新たな産業を産みだすために税金を使うこととどちらが有効なのでしょうか?「政府主導」で新たな産業が産みだせるかもしれないと考えるのも、お花畑な脳みそだと思いますが、排他的経済水域のためだけに税金を使うのもどうなんでしょうか?

それに日韓漁業協定もありますし(ただ韓国の漁民が一切守らないのでマジ意味ないわけですが)、本当に税金を億単位で注ぎ込まなければならないものなのでしょうか?
Commented by dai at 2007-08-01 11:16 x
>hollyさん
それは、EEZ(排他的経済水域)の価値を理解していないですよ。

EEZ内では漁業権だけでなく海底資源も自国のものになります。
日本近海にはメタンハイドレードという資源が大量に埋蔵されていて、将来石油に代わってこのメタンハイドレードが主要なエネルギー源の一つとなった場合、世界有数のエネルギー資源大国になることができるといわれています。
この日本がエネルギー資源大国ですよ?エネルギー資源を保有するということの重要性はさすがに理解できるかと思われます。
Commented by 国際法を勉強せよ at 2007-08-01 12:02 x
韓国人の身勝手さを感じる事例のひとつにこの日本海呼称問題を挙げられる。
日本に対してだけ、日本海に対してだけ異議をとなえるわりに、東シナ海に異議は唱えないというのは明らかにおかしい。
東シナ海、このシナとは中国のことである。中国の東の海だから東シナ海。だけど韓国はこのことに異議を唱えない、韓国の都合としか言いようがないな。
Commented by ☆★☆★☆★☆ at 2007-08-01 13:57 x
Loose Change 2nd Edition, Korean Caption

no_tenki さん はじめまして。こんにちは。
インタネットで検索を行いno_tenkiさんのブログを
発見・拝見させていただきました。
アフガニスタンでの人質問題等に関し
何かお役に立てないかと感じた際
一つお伝えしたい情報がありまして
コメントを投稿させていただきました。
それは下記のVTRです。
約1時間20分と、少し長いのですが
よろしかったらご覧になられてみて下さい。

韓国語(字幕)
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日本語
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Commented by ポンチョ at 2007-08-01 14:02 x
 この議論の最大の問題は、名称そのものの歴史よりも、「日帝が国際的な名称だった東海を日本変えた」という主張です。この主張自体は根拠が一切ありませんが、日本=悪のイメージを国際社会に植え付けようとする韓国ロビーの一端です。私も個人的に名称が何であろうと構わないですが、このような荒唐無稽な主張にはキチンと反論すべきです。「日帝はKoreaをCoreaに変えた」とか「民族の鋭気を断ち切るために鉄杭を打ち込んだ(実際には測量の基準点)」などの問題も、傍観せずにいちいち反論すべきだと思っています。
 一見関係ないように思えますが、日本の国益を阻害し、真の日韓関係を阻害する行為です。看過すべきではないと思いますが。
Commented by みねふじこ at 2007-08-01 18:23 x
>民族の鋭気を断ち切るために鉄杭を打ち込んだ

個人的には、Koreanはこの笑韓ネタを永久に声を大にして叫びつづけて欲しいと思っていますがw
領土問題とか世界中どこにでもある政治問題とは違って、21世紀になってもこんな非科学的なことを大真面目にマスコミで取り上げ続けて、国民の多数も信じてる(ように見える)のを見たら、Korean以外のほとんどの民族には、近代的測量杭も知らないKoreanの主張はそういう眉唾物だという印象を与えるからです。
Commented by holly at 2007-08-01 23:28 x
>せりゅさん
一つ一つ丁寧にご返事くださってありがとうございます。
正直僕のような物言いの人間に対してちゃんと返事をくださる人がいるとは思ってなかったので驚いています。

メタンハイドレードがあるという話はよく聞きますね。日本が資源大国になれればそれにこしたことはないというのは理解できます。ただ本当にメタンハイドレードって使えるんでしょうかね?採掘コストが割りに合わないという話はよく聞きますし、また、過去の突発的な地球温暖化と地中のメタンが放出された時期が重なるという話があり、温暖化の観点からはその危険性が指摘されているものです。正直に言って自分はメタンハイドレードもリニアの開発と一緒で、作ってみたはいいが、結局実用性はほとんどなかったってことになるんじゃないかと思います。
更にもう一つ、メタンハイドレードの分布って日本海では青森、北海道の周辺で、太平洋側では西日本の下辺りぐらいで、竹島周辺にはなかったような気がします。昔の記憶なので確かではないですが。それとも竹島問題で竹島周辺は調査できていないだけなのかな。
Commented by ムック at 2007-08-02 01:17 x
youtubeから引用ですが、これを見る限り、
多くの韓国の子供達が反日教育を受けていると思われます。
嫌韓から反韓の人が増えてもおかしくは無いと思うよ。

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=5KDkIuz2GTw

Commented by 昔の名前ででていません at 2007-08-02 02:06 x
端的に述べれば、嘘八百を並べて国際名称を東海に変えようとする韓国人の団体の存在は迷惑そのもの。この非常識な団体に対して、韓国内で抑える考えの人はほぼ皆無に見えて、それどころか協力者が多そうなのですが、実際のところどうなのでしょうね?管理人さん。
日本人はこの非常識な行動に対してストップをかけているだけで、韓国内で日本海と呼べと言ってる人はほぼ皆無じゃないでしょうか?

この両勢力を同列で語られるのは迷惑千万・・・、というか、韓国人である管理人さんにはこういう構図は見えてこないのでしょうかね??
Commented by 昔の名前ででていません at 2007-08-02 02:11 x
管理人さんがネットで探せば、そりゃ韓国内でも「東海というな」という日本人も居ない事はないのでしょうが、何の力もない人の落書きみたいなものじゃないですか?VANKの活動は実力行使ですからね。
全然比べるもののものさしが違うのですよ。まあそのあたりの感覚が昔から管理人さんには皆無なのは良く知ったうえでこんなコメントかいてますがね。
Commented by holly at 2007-08-02 13:40 x
すみません。さっきの投稿はせりゅさんではなくてdaiさんに対する投稿です。どうもすみません。
お二人僕の投稿に対してご指摘くださってありがとうございます。
Commented by くぁz at 2007-08-04 01:39 x
>呼び名が違うこともありうることだし、地図の表記の問題が起きる前までは、
>実際に問題にはならなかったと思います。そのままでいいんだと思うんですよ。

何が「起きる前までは」だ。人事みたいに言ってんじゃねぇよ。
てめえんとこの馬鹿政府が起こしたんだよ。「日本の拡張政策」とか
大嘘ぶっこいたんだよ。国際的な会議の場でだ。

>つまりただ「韓国人が東海と呼んだり」「日本人が日本海と呼んだり」
>するのは実に普通のことで、互いの呼び名で呼ぶ権利を侵害しているわけ
>では決してないってこと。世界の地図でどう表記するか。というのは
>ぜんぜん別の問題だと思うのです。

んなこたぁ、てめえなんぞに言われるまでもないんだよ。
日本人の中にいる、極少数の韓国人なみの基地外なんぞほっとけや。むしろ
お前の国の阿保マスコミに言ってやれ。日本語版で「東海」になってるんだぞ。
言い訳程度に(日本海)としてるが。

関係ないが、日本人諸氏は、メタンハイドレうんぬんは韓国側が「日本が
それに目をつけて」っていう嘘の材料にするから(してるから)気をつけてね。
Commented by notki at 2007-08-04 03:37
やあ。もう来ないと思っていたのに。どうしたんだ。「くぁz」。

俺は上の「sakuya」さんの書き込みを、とても
興味深く思うが、「くぁz」君的には、どうなのかな?

それにしても、俺はもはや、ちゃんとしたコメントでさえ、
あまり読まなくなってしまったんだ。ブログやる気がなくなってね。
それなのに開口一番に口が汚いし…読んでもらうつもりってないのかw

喧嘩相手ならENJOYKOREA当たりにいるんじゃないの?
いずれにせよ、君みたいな日本人も面白いし、いいと思うんだ…
大丈夫だよ!君みたいな日本人は極少数だって、理解してるからw
Commented by notki at 2007-08-04 03:42
ポンチョさん / 「Korea→Corea」など国内でも大抵の人は聞いたことがないか、
聞いたことがあっても調べりゃすぐデマだってわかる話などを交えて
「韓国人が信じてる話」みたいに紹介するのが嫌韓らしさですよね。

昔の名前…さん / 「東海というな」という日本人ってどういう人?
それと昔から東海なのに東海と言ったらいけない理由がわかりません…
Commented by くぁz at 2007-08-04 03:49 x
でも、読んだんだな(笑い)口汚いコメントを。お前がもう少しモノを知っていると思っていた期待が外れたが故の怒りだよ。

sakuyaさんと俺の言ってることは、要するに「同じ」だよ。彼(彼女?)の言い方が優しいだけ。お前の説「くぁzは少数」が事実なら、珍種がであったことになるな。
Commented by くぁz at 2007-08-04 03:54 x
ただしsakuyaさんの言う「相手の国の一部の人が、感情的に勇み足した発言」が、てめぇんとこの馬鹿政府が言ってるから、問題なんだろうが。それと、阿保マスコミの日本語版の「東海」な。
Commented by notki at 2007-08-04 03:57
ムックさん / 絵については、これでも読んでください。
http://notarin.exblog.jp/2221565
小学生ではなく中学生のようですし、あと色々。
最初の証言は、字幕な上に吹き替えになっていて、
何言ってるのかわからないのがとても残念ですね。

これだけ見た限りでは、視聴率取りの興味本位で組んだ番組の気が…
あまり裏を取るとか、そういう努力はまったくしてないように思いますね。
もうちょっとレベルの高いジャーナリズムある番組がいいな。PD手帳みたいな…

あと独島(竹島)が地図と地理に含まれてるのが反日教育だと
思うのでしたら、それは確かに存在する反日教育だと言えますね。
Commented by notki at 2007-08-04 04:00
くぁz / <何が「起きる~起こしたんだよ。>の部分と、
「んなこたぁ、~基地外なんぞほっとけや。」だけ読んだよ。
今のコメントは、<でも、読んだんだな(笑い)>まで読んだ。
Commented by notki at 2007-08-04 04:05
とにかくお前のことが嫌いじゃないが、ただでさえ疲れてるのでお前の
テンションについていくのは無理なんだ。だから対応出来なくても許せ。
Commented by くぁz at 2007-08-04 04:06 x
はいはい^^ 反論は無いってことね。馬鹿政府に よろしく言っとけ
Commented by くぁz at 2007-08-04 04:09 x
判断力も無い幼稚園児を洗脳する韓国
http://vision.ameba.jp/watch.do?movie=182265
Commented by notki at 2007-08-04 04:14
☆★☆★☆★☆さん / むっ、本当に書店の店長さんですか?
神との対話は好きな本です。バシャールは買っといて読んでません。
あまり理解ができない…(まだ自分には読む時期じゃないってことかも)
人質問題と直接な関係はないと思いますがw、日本語字幕で見るのは面白そうです。

hollyさん / あなたの言い分に限った事じゃないですが、韓国政府が馬鹿なのは確かですね。こっちのネットの人は日本の政府も馬鹿だと思ってるのかも知れませんが(笑)。いずれにせよ、韓国政府は少なくとも韓国民には信頼されてませんよね。
Commented by notki at 2007-08-04 04:15
くぁzさん / その歌はもともと政府は反対してた。放送禁止にもしてたし。
でもめげずに頑張ったら今の世の中になったのさ。民衆の意思なんだよな…
Commented by くぁz at 2007-08-04 04:18 x
政府だけじゃなくて、民衆も馬鹿だったということか^^
Commented by くぁz at 2007-08-04 04:19 x
つか、寝る。
Commented by notki at 2007-08-04 04:20
この曲が作られた当初、政府は日本との外交問題になるから
禁止曲に指定したって話だがな。お前にとっては天才政府だろ?

おやすみ♪
Commented by ☆★☆★☆★☆ at 2007-08-04 06:37 x
notkiさん コメントをありがとうございます。勿論、仕事というわけではないのですが、おすすめできる本を読者書店で紹介している者(店長)です。notkiさんも神との対話を読まれたんですね。バシャールは今はタイミングが合わないんですね。バシャールも伝えようとしていることは神との対話とほぼ同じな感じですよ。
Commented by ☆★☆★☆★☆ at 2007-08-04 11:46 x
Loose Change・・は少し長いですが早送りもできますしお時間のある時にぜひご覧になられてみて下さい。韓国のみんなにも伝えてあげてほしいと思います。ご覧頂くと根本的部分に関係する情報ということがおわかりいただけると思いますです。
Commented by みねふじこ at 2007-08-04 13:32 x
>「Korea→Corea」など国内でも大抵の人は聞いたことがないか、
聞いたことがあっても調べりゃすぐデマだってわかる話

民族英気を絶つための日帝の鉄杭の話は、それに入ってないですよね?
一時は政府すら公認した話で、最近まで何回も繰り返して主要紙で報道されてることですから、多数の韓国人が信じてる話ですよね?
管理人さんや周囲の人は信じてないんですか?
翻訳掲示板でも、韓国人のは擁護・支持コメントばかりで、韓国人がこの話題に否定的なコメントをするのは見たこと無いんですがw
韓国人が鉄杭話に否定的なコメントをしているサイトや掲示板を知ってたら教えてください。
Commented by ムック at 2007-08-04 16:04 x
丁寧な返答どうもありがとう。
私は多くの普通の韓国人が、今の日本・日本人をどう思っているのか大変気になっています。
戦後60年以上もたった今でも、戦争を知らない世代において
反日思想が根深いものであれば、日本は韓国と友好でなくても良いと考え始めています。

韓国は、すでに経済的に先進国であると私は思っています。
その反面、民衆の思考がとても閉鎖的に感じられます。
まるで日本のネット右翼のようで残念です。

独島(竹島)問題においても韓国はとても攻撃的です。
独島(竹島)は漁業領域の問題からはじまって、韓国のある議員が騒ぎ出したのがきっかけだと認識しています。

「韓国の立場は○○です。日本の立場は●●です。
両者が歩み寄るにはどうしたらよいか?」
「共有・共同開発地域として両国間の友好に利用できないものだろうか?」
一般の日本人はこう考えると思います。
あなたの周りはどうですか?

自国の非難ができ、日本語ができる あなたのような韓国人いることを私はうれしくおもいます。
たまに立ち寄らせていただきます。
がんばって続けてくださいね。
Commented by holly at 2007-08-05 21:07 x
>notkiさん
コメントありがとうございます。自分がネットの人かどうかわかりませんが、自分も日本政府はバカだと思いますよ(笑)どうやら日本政府も日本国民にあまり信用されてないようですし。日本人も韓国人も、自分の政府を誇れるような日が来るといいですね、いつか。
Commented by 格闘技好き at 2007-08-05 22:09 x
初めまして。とても尊敬できる方として少し前からここのサイトを拝見させて頂いてました。
韓国起源説とかサッカーとか野球とか知って、やっぱりあまり韓国に対していい印象は持ってませんでしたが、notikさんのコメントを見て、やっぱり実際に韓国に行ったこともないのに全部が全部あんなに極端な反日行為ばかりする人ばかりだと決め付けてはいけないと考えるようになっていました。

中学生の絵を見たり、嫌韓サイトを見るたびにやっぱり韓国人は・・と思ってもnotikさんを思い出し、そんなのは少数派なんだ、とポジティブに考えるようにしていました。なので今までコメントを書かせていただくことはなかったのですが、どうしても韓国人であるnotikさんに直接聞いてみたくなるようなことがありました。

テレビでK-1を見ていた所、韓国人選手の打撃が日本人選手の金的にあたりもんどり打って倒れました。それ自体は珍しいことではないですし、韓国人選手も故意ではないでしょう。
しかし、次の瞬間切り替えられたテレビ画面には、リングでのた打ち回る日本人選手を見て大喜びして拍手をしている、韓国国旗をかかげた客席でした。愕然としました。
Commented by 格闘技好き at 2007-08-05 22:10 x
格闘技はどの国でも対戦相手をリスペクスします。試合が終わればさきほどまで殴り合っていた相手と抱き合い、頭をリングにこすり付けてまで敬意を表します。それはブラジル人だろうとアメリカ人だろうと変わりません。もちろん韓国人選手だってそうでしょう。
でも見ているだけの人は違うのでしょう。日本人のみんながそうではないかも知れませんが、少なくとも私なら、日本人選手が韓国人選手にそんなことをしたら申し訳なく思います。もちろん拍手も歓声もそんな目立つほどあがることはないでしょう。
それと同じで、もし、韓国人選手が金的攻撃をしてしまった相手がアメリカ人やブラジル人なら、客席のファンは喜んだでしょうか? もしかしたら自国の選手が反則失格で負けてしまうような裁定が下されるかも知れない状況で、相手が苦しんでいるのを見て喜ぶのでしょうか?
Commented by 格闘技好き at 2007-08-05 22:11 x

私は、それはないと思います。苦しんでいるのが日本人選手だったから、あんなに笑顔だったのだと思います。それがアメリカ人なら笑顔にはならないでしょう。異常とも思えたから、テレビカメラはその客席を映したのでしょう。
せっかく無理やりにでも、そんな事で喜ぶのは一部なのだと思い込もうとする度に、韓国人の嫌な面を見てしまいます。しかも今回は番組やサイトのように、一部の極端な例をまとめて全体像であるかのように作り上げられた可能性のあるものではなく、たまたま映された素のリアクションです。

このサイトのサッカーの記事を見たときは、勝負に対する国民性の違いだと納得しかけましたが、これも単なる国民性の違いなのでしょうか? 正々堂々とライバル国から勝利を掴むことに喜ぶのではなく、自国民の過失で苦しめた日本人を見て喜んでる。私には彼らの笑顔がとても卑しく見えました。
よければ教えてください。あのような反応が、大多数であり、普通なのでしょうか? 長くなってしまい、申し訳ありませんでした。
Commented by ポンチョ at 2007-08-05 22:53 x

  「Korea→Corea」が多くの韓国人が信じているとは一言も言っていませんが。韓国人が主張することは事実でない場合は、たとえ荒唐無稽な主張であっても一つ一つ反論するべきだと、日本側の姿勢を問うたまでです。
ところで、どうしてno_tenkiさんは、かたくなに一般的な韓国人は反日ではないと主張するのでしょうか?私自身100人いて100人の韓国人が反日だとは思っていません。ただ、反日なんて存在しないかのような主張には疑問を感じます。
Commented by ポンチョ at 2007-08-05 23:00 x
 ところで韓国に反日教育はないのでしょうか?何を反日教育するかによって有る無しは分かれるとは思います。ただ偏向がない教育かと言えば疑問があります。
 例えば、朝鮮戦争時に北朝鮮は韓国統治地域に侵攻した数の市民を殺害しました。それに対する謝罪と賠償を求めないのはどうしてなのでしょうか?仮に同胞だからと言う答えなら、同様に中国は北朝鮮の同盟国として参戦し、同様に韓国市民を殺害しました。いったい何人死んだのですか?それに対する謝罪と賠償は?
 逆に日本統治下に総督府は何人の韓国人を殺したのでしょうか?「誰一人殺していない、総督府は善政を敷いた」とはいいません。当時日本内地でも反政府活動家には厳しい取り調べを行っていた時代でした。それでも市井の朝鮮人市民が虐待を受けていたかのような表現はおかしいと思います。個人的には良くも悪くも普通の植民地政策だったと思います。それをあげつらえ、批判の矛先を日本に向かうようにしているのは反日教育と言われても仕方がないのでは?批判に矢面に立っているのが、大殺戮を行った北朝鮮でも中国でもなく、ましてやスパイ狩りと称して虐殺を行った国軍でもなく、日本というのは皮肉な話です。
Commented at 2007-08-07 17:25 x
ブログの持ち主だけに見える非公開コメントです。
Commented by 通行人 at 2007-08-07 20:51 x
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Commented by sakuya at 2007-08-07 21:55 x
notki様

興味深かったとのこと、よかったです^^

くぁzさんがあのように言いたくなる気持ちも私はわかりますよ。韓国政府の主張は、日本と日本人に対するひどい中傷です。それを世界に向けて大声でorz・・・本当に信じられない。調べればすぐに事実でないとわかってしまうのに。エンコリの韓国人が言うのだったら、notki様が何回か言われているように、一部の韓国人の間にはそのような意見もあるのだろう、で済むのですけれども。
Commented by どんぶり at 2007-08-08 18:09 x
初めて書き込みさせていただきます。どんぶりと申します。
国際政治の場での取り決めはともかく、個々人で呼ぶ分にはどちらでもかまわない、というno_tenki様の主張に同意です。神経質になりすぎているだけで、大した問題じゃないと思うんですよ。それぞれの国の人が自由に呼んできたわけで、国際的に「日本海」になったのだって近代以後のこと。200年も経っていないんですから。変える・併記する、なら穏便に話し合いで皆が納得できるようになるといいですよね。
ちなみに、ロシアは「日本海」のことを「南海」と呼んでいるのだとか。けっこうバラバラです。
Commented by いつまで反日? at 2007-08-09 17:11 x
国際的に正しいのは韓国海峡で日本では対馬海峡、そんな話昔聴いたことあったな、忘れてた。
ロシアでは日本海のことを南海ですか。
ロシアは国際的に自国の呼び方に直せなどといわない。
日本は国際的に自国の呼び方に直せなどといわない。
韓国だけは国際的に自国の呼び方に直せという。
韓国人のおかしさが国際的に認識されますよ。
Commented by 昔の名前… at 2007-08-10 21:08 x
> 昔の名前…さん / 「東海というな」という日本人ってどういう人?

管理人さん、それは私もワカリマセン。わざわざそんなこと書いてるWeb探さないし(普通に見てたら私の探し方では会わない)、管理人さんが本文で書いてるから書いてるのだよ?
ただ、私はそういう日本人が居るとしたらそれは変な人だなと思う。理に適わないから。でも、害になるほどの数じゃないと思う。
対して、韓国人には「日本海というな」だの、(このあたりの区別がついているのか非常に疑問はあるものの)「国際名称が日本海だというのはおかしい」という主張をしている人が多いのじゃないかなと思っている。
そういう人たちを、って書いてきたがあほらしくなった。

韓国人のかなり多くの人がアホな主張をしていて国際的迷惑だとしても、管理人さんにとっては「俺には関係ない」で終わるのだろうな。それ(国際的迷惑韓国人)が韓国人嫌いを育てちゃう大きな要因なのにね。
Commented by 昔の名前… at 2007-08-10 21:09 x

> それと昔から東海なのに東海と言ったらいけない理由がわかりません…

これ、俺は全然いってねぇし・・・。韓国語では東海でいいじゃん。ここに書いてる人たちはそれでいいっつってる。国際的名称を変えようとする数多くのバカ韓国人を・・・、嫌韓のタネなのに「俺には関係ネェ」ですませるのだよね、管理人さんは。
Commented by くぁz at 2007-08-13 00:34 x
こんなことやってたわけね
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm717163
台湾バージョンは賞賛の嵐らしいが、キミ的にはその違いがどこから来ると思ってるのさ?
Commented by no_tenki at 2007-08-13 00:37
↑先週の日曜日まではほのぼのな雰囲気で楽しめたんだよwwwww

余計な人にバレたからじゃねぇ?一時的にランキングに露出されたという
話も聞くし、(本当かどうかわかんない)2ちゃんの韓国ネタスレに晒されたのも
目撃しているから。いずれにせよ、コメント保存できなかったのは本当に痛いな…
Commented by じゃべりん at 2007-08-13 10:16 x
管理人さんさぁ、「嫌韓を見る」っての外したら?
どう見ても見てないし。
いつも日和見気取って終わりじゃん。
Commented by no_tenki at 2007-08-13 10:51
もっともな指摘ですーこのブログはとっくの昔に(始まる前から?)終わってますよね。
過去の投稿が他所にリンクされたりしてるので、ブログ名を変えたくないだけです。
Commented by くぁz at 2007-08-13 13:53 x
この差^^
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm746146 (台湾バージョン)

>日本でもまさに「東海ってどこ?」なのだと思います。

日本で東海つったら これ。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_mcrH4AyB8&mode=related&search=

全然関係ないけど、この人歌うまいよな
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aElG_SXee4
Commented by notki at 2007-08-13 18:59
台湾人の組曲は素晴らしいよ!別に競争してないしさ。

山下達郎いいねー日本住んでないのになぜか見たことあるCMだ。

その人はどうかわかんないけど、日本語話せない人でも、
日本語の歌はめっちゃうまかったりするよ。(カラオケとか)
Commented by 阿部 at 2007-08-17 11:11 x
安倍さんの曖昧戦法みたいな言い回しですねw
Commented by いつまで反日? at 2007-08-19 09:36 x
管理人は
>「あそこを日本海だというな」「東海と言え」と言ってるわけではないと考えます。
という、
http://www.chosunonline.com/article/20070501000009
ここには
>韓国政府「日本海単独表記は絶対容認できない」
と書いてあります。


http://www.chosunonline.com/article/20070501000009
>韓国政府「日本海単独表記は絶対容認できない」
>韓国政府の当局者は「(日本海単独表記に関する)表決の実施を防ぐことに最大の努力を傾け、もしも表決に進む場合、大多数の加盟国が棄権するよう働き掛ける」と語った。
と書いてあります。

つまり管理人と韓国政府の考え方にはずれがあるということ。
韓国人は「あそこを日本海だというな、東海と言え」と言っているという結論しか出てきません。
Commented by いつまで反日? at 2007-08-19 09:37 x
日本人は韓国海峡を対馬海峡と日本国内で呼ぶ、しかしこれを国際的に強制していない。
ロシア人はは日本海を南海とロシア国内で呼ぶ、しかしこれを国際的に強制していない。
韓国人はは日本海を東海と韓国内で呼ぶ、そしてこれを国際的に強制しようとする。

韓国人も日本人やロシア人に学んで国際的に強制しようとする行為をやめたら?
(また韓国人は日本人から学ぶことになりますが・・・・)
Commented by んー at 2007-08-21 09:52 x

コリア=アホ
コリア=学術とは無縁
コリア=知性なし

そういうことを再確認するブログだよここは。
Commented by 通行人 at 2007-08-21 11:09 x
そりゃ、韓国人はこんなモノを毎日見せられたら反日になりますよ。

日帝の呪いの杭
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=gC_HpGajdSk
Commented by 通行人 at 2007-08-22 19:03 x
韓国小学校の教科書、自民族の優秀性を過度に強調。特に「日本人は文化的に劣等」と一貫して記述

http://kr.news.yahoo.com/service/news/shellview.htm?linkid=12&articleid=2007082123595236740&newssetid=474
Commented by 通行人 at 2007-08-22 22:07 x
独立門(ドンニンムン)
http://japanese.tour2korea.com/03Sightseeing/DestinationsByRegions/Depth04.asp?sight=Sightseeing&sightseeing_id=166&ADDRESS_1=6142&ADDRESS_2=3307&konum=1&kosm=m3_1

>独立門のある場所は元々使臣を迎えた迎恩門のあった場所でした。迎恩門は中国からの使臣がやって
>来たとき王が直接出迎えた場所で、外交の象徴だったこの門の後に1898年独立門が建てられました。
>当時韓国は日本に統治されていた時期。これに対し韓国は日本を始めとする周辺の国々に独立への強い意思を
>表すため建てたのがこの門で、建設のための費用も国民の力によって集められたものでした。

↑韓国歪曲歴史の一環
ご存じの通り日韓併合は1910年から。この説明文では中国の植民地支配が隠されています。日清戦争の日本の勝利により下関条約が結ばれ、朝鮮の独立が認められました。しかし韓国の教育では中国の植民地支配の歴史を教えないため、日本があたかも独立国であった朝鮮を急に併合した様な印象を与えています。その為、中国(清)からの独立を祝ったこの独立門を、あたかも当時まで併合していない日本からの独立を願いを込めた門と歪曲されています。
Commented by 日雇い at 2007-08-23 17:31 x
おーい 元気かー!?
Commented by くぁz at 2007-08-24 11:36 x
>通行人さん

韓国観光公社に電凸いたしました。ホームページは韓国の本社の担当で日本からは変更できないそうです。事実関係を調べ、誤りがあれば謝罪文の掲載とともに変更するとのことですが、さてどうなりますやら。

韓国観光公社
電話 (03)3597-1717 / ファックス (03)3591-4601
Eメール tokyo@tour2korea.com
Commented by 通行人 at 2007-08-25 23:44 x
管理人さんぐらいの日本語能力なら知っているかもしれないが、
日本のことわざに「人を呪わば穴二つ」という言葉があります。
人とは他人のこと、穴は墓穴のこと。
一つはもちろん呪う相手の墓穴。
もう一つは呪う本人のための墓穴。
韓国人は反日をする前に自らの墓穴を掘るべきですね。
Commented by 九郎政宗 at 2007-08-26 15:20 x
大日本帝国主義ネチズンから
自由と民主主義の国・日本を守る俺が来ましたよ(@∀@)

>ご存じの通り日韓併合は1910年から。

・・・なにが「ご存じ」だw おまえは日本の歴史も知らんのかwww
きっと日本人ではないのだろう!

1894.5
甲午農民戦争に際して大日本帝国は朝鮮の許可なく1万人の兵を
派遣。(清国も派遣しているが朝鮮の要請は受けていた。)
1894.7.23 大日本帝国軍による韓国王宮の軍事占領
国王に対し清国軍を追い出すことを日本に請求させる。
1895.11 閔妃殺害事件。三浦駐韓公使が関与

http://d.hatena.ne.jp/claw/20060309#p22
>1910年の正式な「併合」以前であっても、大日本帝国は韓国の外交・軍事・警察・財政・司法を支配しており、実質的な「併合」は進行していた。それらすべてに伊藤博文は関与していた。
>・・・伊藤博文が韓国から外交権を奪った時(1905年、第二次日韓協約
=通称「保護条約」の締結に際して)の名セリフ。
>「余り駄々を捏ねる様だったら殺ってしまえ」

・・・韓国観光公社には、「日本人のごく一部の下流バカが
たわけたことを言ってますが気にしないで」と連絡しておきましたwww
Commented by あほか at 2007-08-26 17:12 x
くろー、「統治」って言葉の意味知らんのか?日本人か?
Commented by 通行人 at 2007-08-26 19:37 x
>九郎政宗

日本で歴史の勉強しました?

>(清国も派遣しているが朝鮮の要請は受けていた。)
いわゆる宗主権の行使、後の下関条約で朝鮮が独立するときに喪失

>大日本帝国は朝鮮の許可なく1万人の兵を~
天津条約、済物浦条約参照

>1895.11 閔妃殺害事件。三浦駐韓公使が関与
三浦公使は裁判で無罪になっています。朝鮮人が有罪とされ処刑されております。

伊藤博文は併合反対の穏健派だつーの。
天皇に直言できる、元老という位。伊藤公が生きていたら日韓併合はなかったというのはあながちあり得ない話でもなかろう。


Commented by いつまで反日? at 2007-08-27 00:27 x
閔妃って民衆から搾取するだけの人というのが事実だってね。
韓国のミュージカルから国母と呼ばれるようになったらしい。
もしそうだとしたら「国母を殺したことを謝罪せよ」という話は根本的に無視していい、というよりも否定するべきと言うことになるのだが。
Commented by 九郎政宗 at 2007-08-27 02:50 x
・・・こんだけ日本語の読めないバカがそろうと壮観だなwww

>閔妃って民衆から搾取するだけの人というのが事実だってね。

・・・それは外国の皇族を殺す理由としては薄弱だなwww

>伊藤博文は併合反対の穏健派だつーの。

・・・「余り駄々を捏ねる様だったら殺ってしまえ」
「余り駄々を捏ねる様だったら殺ってしまえ」
「余り駄々を捏ねる様だったら殺ってしまえ」 はシカトでつかそうでつかwww

>三浦公使は裁判で無罪になっています。

・・・その無罪になった三浦から、後の衆議院議員・安達謙蔵が暗殺計画を
聞いている。安達も事件当事者で投獄されたのに無罪放免でつwww
さすがは大日本帝国クオリティwww

>天津条約、済物浦条約参照

・・・サイモッポは天津条約で無効。そして天津条約は清と日本の条約。
朝鮮とじゃねーよwww 朝鮮政府から日本への派兵要請はねえww

>いわゆる宗主権の行使

・・・それはお前の思い込みwww甲午農民戦争鎮圧のために
朝鮮政府が清に派兵を要請している。

以上、音速で完膚なきまでにニセ日本人を論破しますたwww 
Commented by いつまで反日? at 2007-08-27 12:48 x
>> 九郎政宗氏
>・・・それは外国の皇族を殺す理由としては薄弱だなwww
これで論破とは笑っちゃうな。
自分が聞いた話でだが、閔妃殺害は韓国人と日本人の共同作業だったらしい。殺害の理由は韓国人が搾取されているため韓国人からの依頼らしいよ。そして韓国は近代化していったようだ。
それを棚に上げて日本だけに謝罪しろなんて筋違い。
あとは自分たちの歴史を調べてね。
ただし韓国の歴史は9割捏造歪曲されてるらしいから、正しい古文書で調査して欲しい、韓国にある現代の本を調べても捏造されてるから信用しないようにね。
Commented by sakuya at 2007-08-27 12:49 x
九郎政宗様

1898年以前の件ですが、関与や派兵がそのまま統治を意味するというのは論理が飛躍しているんじゃないでしょうか。

また、「余り駄々を捏ねる様だったら殺ってしまえ」との伊藤公の発言ですが、知らなかったのでググってみましたが、これはどの程度確かなことなのかな~?と思いました。
Commented by いつまで反日? at 2007-08-27 12:54 x
自分のことに対する反論ではないが、とりあえず反論しておこう。
伊藤博文は韓国併合には反対していた、伊藤博文が暗殺されたことにより韓国併合が加速した。
今の韓国人の感覚では韓国併合は屈辱らしい、だったら伊藤博文を暗殺した安重根こそ罪人とみなすべきだが。(所詮テロリストだし)
Commented by いつまで反日? at 2007-08-27 13:01 x
歴史の評価は、当時の考え方と今の考え方は切り離して考えなければならない。
それから韓国人には、中国は父、韓国は兄、日本は弟と考える人がいると聞いたことがある。
これは韓国人が勝手に言ってることで、中国を父、韓国人を兄と認める日本人はいないんだよね。
韓国併合当時韓国人はそれを歓迎したらしい、いままで搾取されてたからこれからは搾取されないってね。
韓国はそのご近代化していく。
今の韓国人は韓国が日本に統治されたことが気に入らないらしい、韓国は縦社会だから弟に支配されたなんて屈辱らしい。
だから謝れって言うんだろ、当時の韓国人が望んだ以上謝る必要はないよ。
日本人は韓国人の弟じゃないし。
Commented by いつまで反日? at 2007-08-27 13:14 x
http://www2.odn.ne.jp/~aab28300/backnumber/04_12/tokusyu.htm
チェ・ケイホという韓国人が書いた記事です。
日本の歴史資料を考えるとこの人のいうことの方が正しいように感じる。
「日本が十のうち一の歪曲があるとするなら、韓国は十のうち九は歪曲があると言っていいでしょう。」
と書いてある、つまり韓国人がいう歴史は信用してはいけないのだよ。
ところで日本の歴史の歪曲って見つかったのかな?
最近では硫黄島(いおうじま)を硫黄島(いおうとう)にしようといったら歪曲だってアメリカはいったな。wwww
「しま」も「とう」も漢字は同じ島なんだけどね。日本国内には○○しま、○○とうなんてたくさんあるよ。www
Commented by いつまで反日? at 2007-08-27 14:55 x
>>九郎政宗氏
http://vision.ameba.jp/watch.do;jsessionid=7F2A84ACB1E67569D2D640B1FC1D857B?movie=141815
ソウル大学名誉教授のように反日なんて早く卒業しろよ。
韓国人は自分たちの歴史は国際的に認められないこと自覚し、自分たちの頭を目で日本と日本人を見て欲しいね、マスコミに左右されること無く。
そして信用できる歴史を勉強し貰いたい、おそらく日本人が(もっと)好きになると思うが。
Commented by あほか at 2007-08-27 22:23 x
それでくろーは韓国観光公社のあの記述が正しいと思ってるの?
ひどい日本語読解力だ、もしくはひどい歴史認識だ、としか言いようがないのだがな。なんぼごちゃごちゃいっても、独立門が出来た、らしい明確な年である1898年、日本が統治していた時期とは言えないだろ。おまえは既に歴史を論じる資格はなさそうだがな。
Commented by 九郎政宗 at 2007-08-27 22:50 x
おいおい韓国人をたたくことでプライドを保つ下流ども必死だなwww

>自分が聞いた話でだが、閔妃殺害は韓国人と日本人の共同作業だったらしい。

だったらしいw
だったらしいww
だったらしいwwwwww(@∀@) またソースは2ちゃんねるかwww
そしてついに大日本帝国の関与を認めたってわけだwwww

>伊藤博文は韓国併合には反対していた、伊藤博文が暗殺されたことにより韓国併合が加速した。

・・・おいおいまだわかってねーのかwww 併合に賛成しようがしまいが
大日本帝国が軍隊でヨソの国の王宮に乗り込んでって
外交権を奪った時点で、その国の主権なんざは踏みにじられてるんだよ(@∀@)
そしてその先頭に立っていたのが伊藤博文だ。安重根がいようがいまいが
韓国保護条約の時点で大日本帝国の朝鮮半島における主権強奪の
事実は動かねーww そんなことも知らない自称日本人ってwww 
しかも伊藤の乱暴狼藉ぶりは、モーガン駐韓アメリカ公使によって
アメリカ本国へと報告されちゃうという尻抜けっぷりwww
そのへんはKorean-American Relationsで今でも読めるが
下流は英語なんか読めないだろう!ブタに真珠ってか!www
Commented by 九郎政宗 at 2007-08-27 23:03 x
下流=無学 無能 無教養
下流=金とは無縁 女とはもっと無縁 もうすぐ魔法が使えそうw
下流=意欲なし 意気地なし だから仕事もなし
下流=外国語は読めないしゃべれない 日本語もろくに知らない
下流=誇れる文化など何一つないw
下流=何一つ生み出さないコピペ人生
しょうがないから2ちゃん極東で嫌韓カキコしてうさばらしするも
ヨン様の収入が43億円(うち9割は日本からw) と知って
氏にたくなる、そんな君たちだ(@∀@)
Commented by 通行人 at 2007-08-27 23:12 x
論破もなにも、肝心なことに何にも答えてないじゃん。
1898年の日本統治の根拠をさっさと出しなさい。その独立門が建てられる前にあった、迎恩門をわざわざ取り壊して作られたのが独立門。この説明文だと綺麗に修飾しているが、実際は属国としての恥辱の場所。そこに独立という門を建てたのなら清からの独立に見えない方が不思議だ。民族校では清の属国だったという恥辱の歴史を習わなかったから判らなかったかな?
>(うち9割は日本からw)
って在日はよくそんなのに金を払ってますね。いまどきそんな「消防署の方から来ました」の詐欺の様な文章はやめた方が良いですよ。
Commented by 九郎政宗 at 2007-08-27 23:48 x
とう‐ち【統治】大辞泉
[名]スルまとめおさめること。特に、主権者がその国土・人民を支配し、おさめること。「一国を―する」

これを英語にすればreignまたはrule。すなわち「支配」である。
では大日本帝国の当時のふるまいはどうなのか。
江華島事件(1875)では軍艦を朝鮮領海に侵入させ「艦砲射撃演習」、
沿岸の無断測量、要塞の破壊、江華島の占領。
あげく治外法権を含む不平等条約の締結(欧米か!w)
甲午政変(1894)では「日本公使館警備」を口実に一個旅団を派遣、
王宮を襲撃して占拠、政権を転覆。
乙未事変(1895)ではごぞんじのとおり。
これが「他国の軍事支配というものではない」というなら
なんというのか教えてくれないかwwwww
Commented by 九郎政宗 at 2007-08-27 23:58 x
そーらお前たちの知りたくない歴史がどんどん出てくるぞwww
大日本帝国の信者ども現実から目をそらすのに必死だなwww
さらに燃料を投下してやろう(@∀@)
大日本帝国が朝鮮を独立国とみなしていたというなら
なぜ三浦駐韓公使を日本の裁判で裁くのかねwww
朝鮮に引き渡して彼らに裁かせればいい。だが実際には
日本に召還して日本で裁き無罪放免www
まるっきり欧米の帝国主義国家そのものだなwww 


Commented by 通行人 at 2007-08-28 00:19 x
いや、国語辞典を引っ張り出してきても、答えがでててもスルー?

>主権者がその国土・人民を支配し、おさめること。

当時の日本は朝鮮の主権者ないいから。
そんな連想ゲームのような展開しても、答えがなかったでしょw

>なぜ三浦駐韓公使を日本の裁判で裁くのかねwww
>朝鮮に引き渡して彼らに裁かせればいい。

ヒント:外交官
Commented by sakuya at 2007-08-28 03:32 x
九郎様

なんだか話が逸れて行っているようです・・・

九朗様のおっしゃる江華島事件は、1875年当時、朝鮮が未だ日本の統治下になかったことを示しています。また、甲午政変・乙未事変についても、日本が統治していたら、このような事件はそもそも起きてないんじゃないでしょうか。

統治を英訳してruleにしてさらに和訳して支配とのことですが、統治と支配とでは意味が違うように思います。統治しているのが高宗でも、軍事力を背景とした日本の意向を無視できなかった、という状態だったんじゃないのかな・・・

ところで独立門が建ったのは1898年?それとも1897年が正しい?
Commented by 1 at 2007-08-28 05:41 x
統治→rule→ルール
朝鮮人にはルールがなかったという展開も出来ますね (・∀・)ニヤニヤ
Commented by 雲弧 at 2007-08-28 06:39 x
http://news21.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/news4plus/1188221118/

こういうの見てると低レベルな韓国のマスコミが反日感情を煽って、
それらの低レベルな韓国のマスコミの報道を知った日本人が
韓国を嫌うというパターンになっているような気がするね。
だからマスコミをあまり信用しないこのブログの人なんかは、日本人の
嫌韓に違和感があるんだろう。
日本人からすると「てめえらの国のマスコミの報道だろうが」って言いたくも
なるんだけどね。

まあ、糞マスコミに悩まされているのは日本も同じだし、
日本の糞マスコミに日本人の代表面されたら非常に困るわけなので、
多少同情する。
Commented by 九郎政宗(電車で移動中) at 2007-08-28 08:25 x
>ヒント:外交官

じゃあこの事件も許してやれよ(@∀@)うひゃひゃひゃひゃwww
http://iitai-hodai.seesaa.net/article/19379961.html

ついでに「外交官特権は放棄することができる」ということも知るべきだなwww
本当に相手国の「独立」を認めたのであればできたはずだがねwww

>こういうの見てると低レベルな韓国のマスコミが反日感情を煽って、
>それらの低レベルな韓国のマスコミの報道を知った日本人が
>韓国を嫌うというパターンになっているような気がするね。

実は韓国の教科書は意外に反日帝(反日でなく)じゃない、という研究もある。
http://www.han.org/a/half-moon/hm001.html#No.07


小泉に代表される自民党政権下で、
ろくに教育もうけらられず自信もなくし意欲も持てなくなった下流層が
晋遊舎のような非合法行為を推奨する糞出版社にあおられて
うさばらしに韓国人を(ネットでだけ!)中傷する・・・そんな構図だなwww

だからいつまでもダメなままなんだが・・・
Commented by いつまで反日? at 2007-08-28 09:07 x
九郎政宗氏は考える力が弱いようだな、韓国人の歴史認識なんて韓国人側にとって都合のいいような歴史認識でしかない。しかし国際的に自国の歴史評価は全部自国側に都合のいい評価なんてありえない。
日本が韓国併合したこと謝罪しろというなら、伊藤博文暗殺は失敗であったことを認識しなければならないのだよ。
日本が韓国を併合したから今の韓国があるんだよな、併合しなかったら今はロシアの一部として搾取されるか、中国の一部としチベット人のように迫害されてるはず。(中国は民族浄化政策を行っているから)
韓国の王朝は今の金正日政権のように搾取するだけ、そんな王朝をかばいたいという発想が理解できない。
韓国人は9割捏造だれた歴史で勉強した以上そんな歴史認識は国際的に無効なんだよ。
Commented by いつまで反日? at 2007-08-28 09:20 x
日本海、東海呼称問題と九郎正宗氏の主張は切り離して考えないと、不毛な問題になるな。
韓国人はなにかにつけて日本に「謝罪しろ」「過去の謝罪を無にする行為だ、過去に遡って謝罪しろ」という。
終わった歴史を持ち出して謝罪させることになんの意味があるんだろう?
謝罪したら歴史が変わるのか?
日本が搾取するだけの王朝を終わらせたなら、韓国人は日本に感謝するべきなのだが。なぜそれができないのか不思議。
Commented by sakuya at 2007-08-28 12:39 x
外交特権を取り消さない、ということが、そのまま相手を独立国とみなさない、ということにはならないんじゃないですか?外交特権を取り消して、自国の外交官を相手の国の裁判に委ねた例って、どんなものがありますかね。
Commented by 通行人 at 2007-08-28 20:42 x
>大日本帝国が朝鮮を独立国とみなしていたというなら
>なぜ三浦駐韓公使を日本の裁判で裁くのかねwww

独立国と見なしてなかったのなら、どうして外交官がいるんだ?
止めどない自己矛盾w もっと整理してから文章書いてよ。
ツッコミどころ多くて対応できんわ。あと、論点も絞ってね。
・日本海呼称問題
・独立門建設当時に日本が朝鮮を統治していた証拠
・韓国の歴史教科書が反日でなかったり、歴史歪曲していない証拠
Commented by 子烏 at 2007-08-29 00:35 x
>そのへんはKorean-American Relationsで今でも読めるが
>下流は英語なんか読めないだろう!ブタに真珠ってか!www

つ http://plaza.rakuten.co.jp/obiekt/diary/200411080000/

英語が読めるだけではダメってことですね。
九朗君はこんなところで遊んでないで早く自分のブログで
「コミケ襲撃自作自演説」の根拠を提出するように。
Commented by 九郎政宗 at 2007-08-29 01:13 x
まー「大日本帝国のおかげさまで韓国が近代化した」と言い張るのであれば
独立して近代化した韓国が大日本帝国時代を批判するのも甘受しろよwww
どこの近代的な独立国家が自国を軍事占領した相手に感謝するかよと。
現状こそがおまえさんたちの望んだ状況だろ?そうだろ?(@∀@)

>ちなみに、僕はあなたよりいい大学に通ってた自信がありますよw

↑大学を出てからは自信の持てることがないわけだねwww(@∀@)
その「いい大学」が実在すれば、の話だがねフフフwww

だが本当に「いい大学」を出て就職ができてる奴ぁ嫌韓にゃならないね。
そんなにヒマでもバカでもないしさ。それに身近に韓国からの留学生が
たんといるからねえ・・・

嫌韓のほとんどがリアルで韓国人と接触したことがない低脳の下流、
というのは、なかなか面白いことだと思わないかねwww 
Commented by 九郎政宗 at 2007-08-29 01:53 x
>独立国と見なしてなかったのなら、どうして外交官がいるんだ?

朝鮮を独立国とみなさずに軍事占領している実態を糊塗するためさwww
そんなこともわからないようでは立派な大日本帝国主義者になれんぞwww

欧米におくれて成立した帝国主義国が
欧米の猿真似をして帝国主義をやってみたが
自国・他国の国民をさんざん苦しめた挙句
結局ボコボコにされて丸裸
それが大日本帝国クオリティwww
おれは自由と民主主義を愛する日本国民として大日本帝国の滅亡を
心からすばらしい出来事だと思っています。

>「コミケ襲撃自作自演説」の根拠を提出するように。

・・・「コミケ襲撃」なんてなかったろうがwww
そろそろ現実と空想の区別はつけろ。

>今と10年以上前じゃまったく状況は違うはず。

はずw
はずww
はずwwwwww
空想でしゃべってんじゃねーよ下流(人間として)(@∀@)
「はず」で世の中は回ってねーつのwww 社会に出ろと!
Commented by 子烏 at 2007-08-29 02:08 x
>・・「コミケ襲撃」なんてなかったろうがwww
>そろそろ現実と空想の区別はつけろ。

実行犯が一人、現行犯で確保されているので
「コミケ襲撃未遂自作自演説」とでも言うべきでしたかね。
それで一連の騒動が自作自演であるという証拠は?
それこそ九朗さんの空想でしょ?

まあ反論はでないでしょうが・・・
Commented by 通りすがり at 2007-08-29 02:53 x
相変わらず、九郎政宗氏はフルボッコですか。
ここまで老若男女を問わず嫌われている人物も珍しい。
Commented by 子烏 at 2007-08-29 03:33 x
こうの史代さんのファンページ掲示板で暴言を吐いて叱られ、最近では無視されがち。
お仲間だと思っていた人たちのブログにコメントすればウザがられるし。
ストレスたまってるんじゃない?
Commented by いつまで反日? at 2007-08-29 07:17 x
>九郎政宗氏
>独立して近代化した韓国が大日本帝国時代を批判するのも甘受しろよ
>どこの近代的な独立国家が自国を軍事占領した相手に感謝するかよと。
いつの話をしてるんだ?終わった話を蒸し返すからハン(恨)の国って言われるんだよ。
君はその時代直接生きていた人なのか?君は何歳?
日本は韓国を併合したのであって植民地にしたのではない。
それから植民地支配された国が支配した国に謝罪を要求した国はないのだよ。
なに勘違いしてるんだ?
それから「日本海と東海」と君の主張は全く関係ないことがわからないのか?
Commented by いつまで反日? at 2007-08-29 07:41 x
今北朝鮮の金正日が他国に滅亡され近代化したなら、北朝鮮民は大喜びでしょうな。
九郎政宗氏の
>どこの近代的な独立国家が自国を軍事占領した相手に感謝するかよと。
これは視野が狭いね。
Commented by 嫌韓 at 2007-08-29 11:30 x
韓国国内でなんと呼ぼうと日本がとやかく言うべき問題でもないし、それを問題視している日本人がいるようにもわたしには思えません。日本人がうんざりしているのは韓国政府が国際社会で呼称として定着している日本海表記を東海とするようありとあらゆる機会を使って政治的圧力をかけていることです。それに対応するため日本政府も貴重な税金を使わざるを得ない状況にあります。韓国政府の主張するそもそも論では日本海という呼称は日帝(いまどきこんな言葉を使うのは韓国、北朝鮮、中国だけだと思いますけど)専横下で強制されたものだという論拠です。こんな論拠がいかに日本人一般がもつ韓国および韓国人のイメージを地に貶めているかよく考えて発言されたほうが良いと思いますよ。
Commented by いつまで反日? at 2007-08-29 11:34 x
韓国内の地図だけ東海にして終わりにすればいいのだよ、それだけだ。
それを国際的に東海にしろなんていうから、国際的に嫌韓が増えるんだよ。
そのことを韓国人はわかってないな。
Commented by 嫌韓 at 2007-08-29 15:34 x
竹島は日本海はあなたにとってはどうでもいいことのようですけど、わたしを含めた多くの日本人にはどうでもよい問題ではありません。それと同様に大多数の韓国人にとってもどうでもいい問題じゃないでしょう。どんなにあなたが韓国の反日意識は日本人が思っているほど大きくないと言い張っても韓国で一流紙と言われている新聞であっても心ある日本の政治家を極右反動政治家呼ばわりします。日本の新聞でそのようなことをすれば国民の支持を得られないのでありえないことです。日本人の目に触れることを前提に韓国民が喜ぶように書く。それに国家的な悪意を感じない人間はおそらくないでしょう。日の丸を焼き討ちにして喜ぶのは極一部の韓国人であると言われてもその行為自体が合法であるというあなたの国の国法も日本人には驚きです。
Commented by 嫌韓 at 2007-08-29 15:48 x
一家団欒の食卓の夜7時のニュースでたびたび目にするソウル日本大使館前の日の丸の焼き捨て。大多数の韓国人には知られていないといわれています。しかし現実として両国間に問題があれば必ず子供たちと囲む日本の食卓にあらわれる悪意に満ち満ちた人々。親はいったいどのように子供たちに韓国および韓国人の事を説明すればいいんでしょうか。日本人はかつて悪い事をしたからとでも言うんですかね。それで国家の威信の象徴である国旗をいとも簡単に焼き捨てられる映像を永遠に見せつけられる。我々にはそれを実力で阻止することすら出来ない。これは率直に言って悪夢以外のなにものでもない。日本人が声高に何かを訴える国民ではないのはご存知だと思います。でも決して赦さないことも。深く静かに決して忘れることなく永く続く嫌悪感。国民性といえばそれまでですがあなたの周りに存在する人々とはちょっと異質な人々がここには多く存在することもよくよく考えた上での発言を期待します。
Commented by せりゅ at 2007-08-29 16:26 x
自分のことをここに書いても意味ないと思ったので過去の書き込み削除しました。

>嫌韓のほとんどがリアルで韓国人と接触したことがない低脳の下流、
というのは、なかなか面白いことだと思わないかねwww

大変おもしろいっすねーーーっ 間違えてるという点に目をつぶればよぉ~

と仗助風に書いておく。

もし僕が普通に就職してたらどうしますか?
勝手な思い込みだけで意見を言うとそれを否定されたときに言い訳できなくなりますよw

あー、でも韓国人の留学生とか身近にいないですね。
中国人なら何人かいたんですが。
Commented by 通行人 at 2007-08-29 22:15 x
近年これほど活きの良いサヨク活動家は見なくなったなぁとしみじみと感慨にふけってました。サヨク退潮の原因は、保守勢力の拡大と言うよりも、冷戦後に自らの主張の論理的正当性を保持できなくなったのが原因だと、九郎氏の書き込みを見て再確認です。

サヨクの主張は是々非々ではなくて、あくまでも捕手の反対野党的な主張しか出せなかったこと、それが自らの論理矛盾に陥り結果として自らの首を絞めています。九郎氏もここの管理人にも言えるけど、どうしてそう主張が極端なんだろう。「朝鮮経営は朝鮮民衆の利益よりも日本本国の得る利益が多かった」ぐらいの主張なら、まだ同意できる余地があっても、そもそも資源がない朝鮮で「植民地収奪論」の様な極端な主張しかしないから、みんなそっぽを向かれる。管理人さんもどうして韓国に反日の人はいないなんて言っちゃったんだろう。地球上で日の丸が燃やされる数少ない国なのに。
Commented by 通行人 at 2007-08-29 22:29 x
たまには話題に関係ある情報を

日本海呼称“問題” 日本側反論に賛同集まる
http://www.iza.ne.jp/news/newsarticle/politics/diplomacy/80440/

Commented by 通行人 at 2007-08-30 03:33 x
「日韓併合当日、喜んだ朝鮮人が多かったという記録がある。教科書に書いてあるのと違うが…」

http://news.hankooki.com/lpage/opinion/200708/h2007082818000124390.htm
Commented by 通行人 at 2007-08-30 15:18 x
韓国人Wikipedia改竄工作

日本海
http://ja.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=3441323
http://ja.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=3441220
http://ja.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=3441171
http://ja.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=13102054
Commented by いつまで反日? at 2007-08-30 19:45 x
ロシア→日本海を南海と国内で言う→終了
日本→韓国海峡を国内で対馬海峡と言う→終了
韓国→日本海を国内で東海と言う→これを国際的に広めようとする→国際的に嫌韓が増える→韓国人は嫌韓が嫌い(少なくとも九郎政宗氏はそのようだ)
嫌韓が増えるのは韓国人の自業自得のようだな。
ちなみに日本が嫌いな人も国際的にはいるけど少数ですから、韓国中国と限定してようやく日本嫌いがたくさんいることになります。www
http://ne-ta.com/imgs/3/1/317836ec.jpg
国際的に日本嫌いになっても、韓国は国際的に仲間はずれになるだけだと思うけど。
韓国人はなぜ国際的に好かれようとしないのか、国際的に認められようとしないのか不思議に思う。
Commented by ゆう at 2007-09-01 04:07 x
久々に見たらバカサヨ(九郎政宗)が暴れてますねー
まあ、こういう人たちはバカウヨも同じですが自分の主張に都合悪い情報は耳を貸そうともしない狂ってる人なんで相手にしても無駄ですよ
Commented by あほか at 2007-09-01 12:00 x
くろー、話を散らしてごまかしてるようだけど、結局、韓国観光公社のあの記述は正しいと思ってるの?「統治」を「支配」にかってに書き換えちゃだめなんだぜ。
Commented by 九郎政宗 at 2007-09-02 22:11 x
そうだな、正確に書くべきだな。
「統治」どころか
大日本帝国による「軍事支配」だとな!www
ソレを「統治」と表記してくれたのは
韓国観光公社の配慮というものでは
ないだろうかね(@∀@)

さて、実を言えば
俺も海の名前なんてどうでもいいと
思っている方だ。日本海をわざわざ
欧米人にJapan Seaなどと横文字で
呼ぶことを認めてもらうことに
何らの意味も見いだせねえw
韓国と日本の気持ち悪い暇人が
必死になって海の名称にこだわっているが
勝手にすればいいw 金と時間の無駄。
まーいまのところ韓国勢の方が
英語で世界に主張する能力では
日本の下流どもよりは上らしいがなw
悔しかったらマネしてみればいいことさwww
Commented by 子烏 at 2007-09-02 23:50 x
★「<丶`∀´> 日本海表記は植民地時代の名残ニダ」 南北朝鮮、国連地名会議で馬鹿の一つ覚え繰り返す
http://blog.goo.ne.jp/pandiani/e/005b5567e4b28dfdecfecf7017e98717

要するに日本を非難したいがために騒いでいるわけですな。
目的がそんなだから海の名前自体はどうでもよくて「東海だ」「いや、朝鮮海だ」
「いやいや、韓国海だ」だとか適当なこと言っているわけですな。
わざわざ国連で定められてる海名を替える理由としてはちょっと不純ですね。

>韓国と日本の気持ち悪い暇人が
>必死になって海の名称にこだわっているが
>勝手にすればいいw 金と時間の無駄。

韓国が上に書いてあるような大嘘つくから日本は仕方なく
反論してるだけでしょ。ちがいますか?
「気持ち悪い暇人」がいるのは韓国だけでしょーが^^;;
Commented by 子烏 at 2007-09-02 23:59 x
韓国の主張が大嘘というソースはこちら↓
http://www.mofa.go.jp/mofaj/area/nihonkai_k/usa/gaiyo.html

日本が調べた古地図は1436枚、韓国が調べた古地図は103枚。あれれ?
Commented by あほか at 2007-09-03 02:39 x
くろー、ほんとにあほだな。はっきり書けよ。
「韓国観光公社の記述は誤ってました。」
ってな。軍事支配とかかいたら本当に笑いもんだぜ。なにが配慮だwww
Commented by いつまで反日? at 2007-09-03 08:07 x
>九郎政宗氏
>韓国と日本の気持ち悪い暇人が
>必死になって海の名称にこだわっているが
      ↓間違いは訂正しなさい。
韓国の気持ち悪い暇人が
必死になって海の名称にこだわっているが

>悔しかったらマネしてみればいいことさwww
悔しくてまねをするのではなく、悔しくないけど正論で反論するだけ。
その区別がつかずここに書き込むと、「韓国人は悔しいくて言い返すのと正論による反論の区別かない人たち」
といわれる元になるだけ。

悔しいから言い返すという発想は「反日のための反日」「嫌韓のための嫌韓」になってしまう。
少なくとも俺は「韓国のための嫌韓」を目指してますよ。韓国と友好になるために。
そのためには今の被害者意識が強い韓国人とは話にならない。今はね。
Commented by いつまで反日? at 2007-09-03 12:24 x
>九郎政宗氏
http://www2.odn.ne.jp/~aab28300/backnumber/04_12/tokusyu.ht
このリンクが張られた以上君が主張する韓国人にとって都合のいい歴史主張は全く信用されないから。
そんなことよりもなぜ自分たちで歴史を研究しないのか理解ができない。
韓国内で手に入る本じゃ歪曲されてるから古文書で研究しなさい。
それができないなら後ろを見ないで前を見ることを考えなさい。
前を見るの意味がわかるか?過去にこだわらず未来に目を向けなさいということだ。
Commented by いつまで反日 at 2007-09-05 08:23 x
http://ameblo.jp/worldwalker2/entry-10045943033.html
盧大統領「韓日関係には日本の歴史認識が緊要」

この考え方って九郎正宗氏と同じだね、韓国にとって都合よく九割歪曲捏造された歴史を日本が受け入れるとでも思ってるのかね?
盧大統領が言ったということは韓国人の民意と受け取れる。
少なくとも盧大統領と九郎正宗氏は同じ考え方だからなあ。www
Commented by 通りすがり at 2007-09-06 22:09 x
この人ここのブログに嫌がらせしに来てるの?<九郎氏
管理人さんカワイソス・・・(T-T)
Commented by 通行人 at 2007-09-06 23:19 x
反日的な記事の多いJapan Timesにも書かれてしまってます。

Despite Korean efforts, geographic conference backs Sea of Japan name
(韓国の努力にも関わらず、「日本海」に戻る地理会議)

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20070829a5.html
Commented by くぁz at 2007-09-07 02:21 x
とりあえず、修正入ったようですな>韓国観光公社
http://japanese.tour2korea.com/03Sightseeing/DestinationsByRegions/Depth04.asp?sight=Sightseeing&sightseeing_id=166&ADDRESS_1=6142&ADDRESS_2=3307&konum=1&kosm=m3_1
Commented by せりゅ at 2007-09-07 14:16 x
>苦労氏
なんで韓国観光公社修正されたんですか?
あなたの主張では前の状態でも配慮して書いてるんじゃなかったんですか?

妄想で語ってるだけのあなたの意見は全部間違えてると理解しておけばいいですか?

これを英語にすればreignまたはrule。すなわち「支配」である
とかどう見ても頭が悪いとしか言えないようなことを言うド低脳が言うことなんか信じる人いないかwww
Commented by 子烏 at 2007-09-07 20:14 x
韓国観光公社にまで無視される苦労さん・・・
Commented by いつまで反日? at 2007-09-07 21:37 x
「日本海と東海」というページは
「九郎正宗氏の言うことは信用しなくていい」
という結論ですね。
Commented by いつまで反日? at 2007-09-07 21:39 x
そして「九郎正宗氏の言うことは信用しなくていい」という結論はこのブログの共通認識ということで。
Commented by 管理人さん、どう思う? at 2007-09-07 23:32 x
管理人さんはここをみたことはあるのかな?
http://www.kr.emb-japan.go.jp/other/other_075.htm

これを見る限りでは、どれだけ愚かで反社会的な行為を韓国人・朝鮮人の政府が行っているかわかる、と私は思っている。この記述に誤りがあると思うのであれば、管理人さんに指摘して欲しいと思う。
竹島の問題と比べたらかなりクリアで、この日本の主張に対する真っ当な批判を、私は見たことがない。

これを見た上で日本も韓国も日本海名称問題で騒いでいるのは馬鹿ばかりだと思うのならばもう言うことはないが、ここの内容が正しいのであれば日本海名称で騒ぐ馬鹿な韓国政府とそれを支える韓国人達が居て、世界は困っている、という話なのだよ。

読んでみてどう思いますか?管理人さん。
Commented by sakuya at 2007-09-08 03:45 x
独立門を建てた独立協会としては、周辺諸国に独立性を主張したいというより、政府に独立国らしい国家運営をしろと言いたかったみたいですね。

独立協会の救国宣言上疏(1898年2月21日)より
http://www.he.osaka-sandai.ac.jp/~funtak/kougi/kindai_kyozai/SDokuKyo.htm
(キャッシュしか残ってない?)

(引用開始)
われらが思うに、国が、国であるためには二つ[の要件]が必要である。曰く自立して外国に頼らないこと、曰く自修して国内に法にもとづく政治を行うことである。[中略]われらが独立門を建て、独立協会を設立した所以(ゆえん)は、上は君主の位を尊び、下は人民の意志を固めて、億万年も永遠に続く[国家の]基礎を確立するところにある。しかし昨今の国の情勢をうかがうに、ともすれば危うい状況にあり、数多(あまた)の施策は民の望むものと大いに違っている。
(引用終了)
Commented by せりゅ at 2007-09-10 13:18 x
wikipediaでは以下のように書いてありますね。

また独立協会は、日本と清との日清戦争で日本が勝利し、1895年の下関条約で清に朝鮮の独立を認めさせた後、それを祝い、開化思想を啓蒙する一環として、1897年、独立門を建設した。

ぐぐったらこんなのも出てきたから参考に。
http://www.mainichi-msn.co.jp/kokusai/asia/column/seoul/archive/news/2005/20050428org00m030117000c.html

中学の先生でこういう状況だから、「独立門=日本からの独立門」と誤解している韓国の若者は、少なくないようだ。
ってところを読んで、某氏のもうげんw(←純粋な日本語文書でこんな言葉見たことないんですが)が思い浮かんだw
Commented by 通行人 at 2007-09-10 19:42 x
妄言、歪曲、宗主、事大、起源、論難は韓製漢語と言ってもいいかもしれないw
Commented by いつまで反日? at 2007-09-10 21:15 x
>>せりゅ氏
なぜ誤解した韓国人がたくさんいるのか、それは9割歪曲捏造された歴史教育を受けたから、九郎正宗氏のように。

韓国は日本に併合されたことが近代化に繋がったんだよな、韓国人のほとんどはそれを知らず、日本に対して恩を仇で返す行為を繰り返す。
まさに忘恩の輩だね。
Commented by いつまで反日? at 2007-09-15 22:32 x
http://ameblo.jp/worldwalker2/entry-10047267246.html
韓国の中高生もだんだんと韓国の歴史教科書はおかしいことに気づき始めたようだ。
韓国人はよく「正しい歴史認識を・・・」というが、韓国人が日本に押し付けたいのは歴史評価だろ。
安重根が伊藤博文を暗殺したのは日本も韓国も認める歴史の事実、しかしその評価は母国よりになる。
韓国人評価:安重根は韓国の英雄だ。
日本人評価:安重根は暗殺者で否定すべき存在、彼の暗殺により韓国併合が加速した。
韓国人が韓国併合を謝罪しろというなら、安重根も否定すべき。
二国間の歴史事実は二国で共有することはできる、しかしその評価は母国よりの評価になるのは当たり前。
韓国の評価を押し付けるのは韓国人の間違い。
九郎正宗君、わかったか。
Commented by せりゅ at 2007-09-18 10:52 x
いつまで反日さんが紹介してくれた
http://ameblo.jp/worldwalker2/entry-10047267246.html
の2ちゃんねるの反応の中に、

×日本政府が慰安婦を強制動員した事実を否認している
○日本政府が慰安婦を強制動員したという主張を、否認している

客観的事実が無いものは、主張でしかない。

ってのがあったけど、韓国メディアは自分の都合のいいことは事実、都合が悪いことは妄想と決め付けたような書き方が気に入らない。
韓国語には、英語で言うmayみたいなものはないんでしょうか?
Commented by 通行人 at 2007-09-18 19:57 x
 韓国の捏造報道の中の一つに、事実の公表を行わないというのがあります。過去にも、日韓基本条約で解決済みの併合に対しての補償を公表せず、国民を欺いたというのがありました。それがやっと公表されたのが一昨年のこと。同様にこの日本海呼称問題でもこの手の捏造があります。

http://www.chosunonline.com/article/20070206000043

>中国政府の公式ホームページ(www.gov.cn)に掲載されている地図に東海が単独で日本海と
>表記されていることが分かった。中国のウェブサイトに単独で日本海と表記されているケースが
>判明したのは今回が初めて。

 この記事を読む限り日本海表記は「誤り」で、しかも、いままで日本海は「東海」と表記されていたように読み取れます。しかし、これはひどい捏造です。ご存じの方もいるかも知れませんが、中国は国際的な呼称である東シナ海(East China sea)のことを国内的には東海と呼んでおり、そのことをリンク先の地図で確認できます(東海は中国語表記)。つまり元から中国が日本海を「東海」と呼んだ歴史的事実はないのです。この様に事実隠蔽をはかり、国民を錯覚させ世論を間違った方向に誘導しているの
Commented by 釣本直紀 at 2008-05-21 02:39 x
日本海と東海の呼称で日韓が揉めているのは、
韓国が第三国に対しても東海(East Sea)表記を要求しているからだ。二国間で違う呼称を使う事が問題になっている訳ではない。
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